Dota 2 nevermore vs huskarl

General DiscussionNevermore vs Lanaya – 1v1, who should win the laning phase, midgame, .

Unless SF boosts souls with a kill or cogs, ( veno ward 2 hit rosh trick). It used to be a Heavily TA sided matchup.

In previous patches i have always ‘Counter picked’ Sf with TA, although this patch i have seen the inverse happening quite frequently and SF seems to come up on top from the lane,
because of SF’s insane early game potential his midgame never reaches lategame because he snowballs so hard the game is won by then.

I would still prefer to play the TA side of the match up though because during the lane you can deny creeps and still get last hits which is essentially ‘doubling your attack speed’ for certain instances and we all know how important denys are this patch. Midgame because the meta revolves around ancients which even with the 10% ancients nerf in 7.07d, Ancients are still so valuable that every team needs a hero that can clear ancient stacks and the added benifit of Roshan control seems to fit my understanding of the metagame right now.

so who do you think assuming equal skill levels should win the LANE, MIDGAME and offers more during the LATEGAME?

Lanaya would win all the way from laning stage to lategame, there’s no way sf could dammage lanaya in the laning stage if the player share equal skill

And in late game sf still rely on his nuke beside his physical dammage, while ta purely deal physical dammage

Ta can completely nullify triple raze sooooooo

sf can do fine against ta in lane, later ta should be pretty good against sf

Ta can completely nullify triple raze sooooooo

u pretty much have to pull creeps to ur tower and get ur first cs there
when ure lvl 3 just nonstop rightclick ta, remove her refraction and raze her

^that ta has autism

Pardon me, but i don’t see any TA losing to an SF 1v1 given that players are of equal skill. On top of refraction, TA can just buy raindrops if she is going to go aggressive. SF will melt to psiblades all throughout the laning phase. If TA gets haste, that is a dead SF. When TA gets lvl 6, that is a dead SF (unless he TPs). If TA gets DD, that is a dead SF. SF should basically never get a rune. TA can stack ancients and farm them, while SF will have to settle for jungle camps which give less XP and Gold. So. TA.

At lvl 6 sf can’t show in lane without dying

At lvl 6 sf can’t show in lane without dying

Not true at lvl 5 he throws 2 razes and wave is dead and TA can’t go on him cause there’s creeps

Yeah that was my understanding too, however W33, Sumail and RTZ all pick SF into TA alot, during FPL and on stream.
They seem to offer significantly more kill potential due to the lvl 2 powerspike (lvl 1 raze does 510 damage) and have an easier time dealing with roamers with SF now instead of TA.
Doesn’t SF just stand on Ta’s hill lvl 2 and if TA doesn’t have refraction she just gets razed?
Also the lvl 6 powerspike on TA shouldn’t threaten SF because SF usually nukes twice and leaves, or is farming jungle. once SF hits 7 you can either expect 3 heros mid or SF will be killing all your lanes with his (1140 Damage) AOE nuke

I feel like on radiant SF is alot stronger because SF just double razes the lane and farms the med camp, stacks the hard camp and goes back to lane to nuke the next wave, where as on Dire he doesn’t have that luxuary.

Ta on Dire can do a similar rotation and stack the ancient camp however you’re not getting the same ‘early’ farm instead you’re banking on ‘later’ farm. which you can’t farm as quickly anymore.
TA being able to utalise the Triangle alot better during the midgame next too bot shrine could also pay a factor towards the midgame of TA.

But With the talents, BoTs, Dagger and Euls on SF you’re extremely fast, permanently 516 movement speed. Without some good catch it’s close to impossible to get caught and killed as SF. So I’m running around the map, double-raze wave to push waves and find pick-offs with the Dagger-Euls-Ult combo. It kills every opponent if you don’t mess up the timing.