Dota 2 anti mage vs spectre release

General DiscussionAntimage vs Spectre

AM had a 58% win rate when 7.07 came out. Then they balanced a few things like moving his blink illusion talent to lvl 20 instead of 15, and now AM has 52% win rate.

Spectre has a 57% win rate, both pre and post 7.07. The win rate drops to 51% for 5K+ games (which makes sense because Spec is usually ganked more and faces more pressure in the laning phase, and is a reason why she’s not picked as often in competitive games).

1. Is AM in your opinion balanced now, or needs nerfs/buffs?
2. If you’re a hc player, and you’re picking 4th or last on your team, when would you pick AM or Spectre (or something situational like Slark)?

It depends on too many factors like
what is their cores?
Do you have strong supports to stay with you early game like first 5 -10 mins?
Do your midlane need a lot of farm or not?
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but for real late game ill go for spectre

1. still a strong carry. still at least A-tier. (previously he was like SS tier)
2. when antimage is good vs. everyone except spectre (antimage isn’t good vs. spectre). silver edge, satanic, and AC are all good items vs. spectre.

Antimage is not good vs spectre. what the fuck.

How the fuck AM is not good vs spectre

am just rolls spectre over at 35 min imo

AM is extremely strong vs spectre imo, second best matchup on dotabuff as well.

yea when i first picked spectre, and someone on the other team picks anti-mage my heart rate goes up because i know im gonna have a bad game

it works both ways, coz spectre outputs a lot pure damage when am is high armor high magic res low hp hero.

also spectre can probably rape ams team early

In most games I’d say am has an advantage but it’s not really a matchup Im too worried about if I am playing Spectre. If Spectre can make it to late game she has an advantage on am .

AM has an upper hand in mid game, Spectre has an upper hand in late game

Spec is too tanky when she achieved late game against AM late game. Dispersion and rad burn will just pop AM illusions and then receives pure damage from desolate while am will just blink away after all that efforts that he did

spec is comeback hero, you need to make sure, that your team holds until you farm 🙂 Above 5k your team doesnt push so hard so he is viable, in high skilled games it is really situational

i think lategame AM still wins.

Spec doesn’t deal dmg in the lategame, am doesn’t care abt rad burn, can lock spec down, break her if necessary and kill her, all while remaining durable but having slots for dmg

^ “Spec doesn’t do Damage late game”
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to AM, yes. Spectre does not do any damage damage to AM. even more after lvl 25 talent in magic shield.

And AM can farm silver edge fast if necessary tbh

AM at a little below 50 winrate is the perfect position where he is btw.

That hero is situational and must have skill (Yes, you need actual skill to farm fast)
AM kinda strong right now. but still not cancer

And i will pick huskar as 4th or 5th pick. Its a forgotten hero in ranked and no one know how to deal with actual huskar player with brain in my mmr (See my recent games)

Lol what does magic shield have to do with Specs Physical and pure damage??
Am with Silver edge epic lols

Its situational item build bro.

And AM do not care about desolate and radiance damage (manta and magic shield)

‘Spec doesn’t deal dmg in the lategame’ WTF? AH okay he is a 2k player ^^

if u paly against spec late game, radi burn is last of your problems.

Hahahahahahah Spec owns most heroes late game

AM is very good against spectre even in the lategame as long as you build him properly you shitheads don’t even play both hero don’t talk out of your arse. Lategame scenario isn’t just about shitting out dps

Try playing fucking spectre with 0 mana in the lategame against a hero with high mobility dumbass

Oh nevermind you’re that 300 gpm retard SF in inhouse that tilted the shit out of everyone in your team

I actually do play Spectre and i would own ur AM ass any day

its not just about the 1 v 1 matchup. spectre can output more dps, but AM can control lategames quite well with his mobility and waveclear. he can usually end the game before spec is fully slotted too.

in honor of this thread i shall first pick spectre for my next game

B Goat you have 1,6k mmr.. troll.

Antimage is not good vs spectre. what the fuck.
How the fuck AM is not good vs spectre

Spec have no chance fighting 1v1 against an AM, since Spec needed those valuable mana for every battle.

What Mr. Marlans saying that AM is not good vs Spec is on team battle.

Why does Spec need mana FOR wtf lol

You mean the SF that owned ur ass on 290 ping u 1k dumb fuck

The comment about spectre not doing damage kinda made me die a little inside. And there is not much to kill anymore

i just won a spec vs am game. but then again that am didnt know how to play his hero and got shut down hard. still AM > spec

I actually do play Spectre and i would own ur AM ass any day

Totally different heroes.
Spectre is a great tank with dispersion. She deals a ton of damage if you are forced to scatter. She can join early fights, even turn them, or just fish for kills while not losing anything. She likes a team that can handle prolonged fights which can be turned if she decides to join, or salvaged without her joining in. You should take extreme caution not to push against her team if you can hardly take on 5v4 vs high ground.
AM is a flash farmer with just enough power to overwhelm virtually anyone if he has the farm advantage. He has to choose VERY carefully when to join in a fight and when to back away from it. When AM is shown splitpushing, his enemy can find a window to counterpush him 5-man.
Spectre can be very difficult to kill when 2-3 ganked. AM can be very difficult to stop from getting away when ganked.